Mike Oxsaw
3:42 Mon Sep 5
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I've asked this before, but why can't AI be used for (some) VAR decisions?
If it's good enough to calculate if YOUR credit is good enough for a loan/mortgage, it's well good enough to make an offside/contact call.
Is nobody down in the basement teaching their Spectrum ZX the offside rule?
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El Scorchio
3:15 Mon Sep 5
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And also this 'he's earned the right to go down' bollocks that gets spouted so readily by pundits. Funny how that statement only gets wheeled out to justify Man U and Liverpool players diving. It just gets called diving when anyone else does it.
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Mad Dog
2:58 Mon Sep 5
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And even Danny "there was contact" Murphy said Saturday was utter bollocks
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zebthecat
2:12 Mon Sep 5
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Helmut Shown 1:03 Mon Sep 5
I am with you on this especially regarding Danny Murphy. It really grates when he puts his serious face on and says "there was contact" after a player has hurled himself theatrically to floor in the penalty area after the merest brush from a defender.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
2:10 Mon Sep 5
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Here's eusebiovic with a variation on the old 'pedentry' tactic.
1) Make completely inaccurate statement
2) Get called on it
3) Moan about people 'splitting hairs'
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eusebiovic
2:03 Mon Sep 5
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Hermit
Everything is regulated and legal in theory.
What isn't regulated is the negative social side effects which result from it as you well know.
But it's all about splitting hairs and making excuses for the system.
Which you are fantastic at doing at every opportunity.
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Hermit Road
1:50 Mon Sep 5
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"complete deregulation of the betting industry in 2005"
Except that the betting industry is highly regulated in this country and, even if it wasn't, the internet is a big place and other countries can do whatever they want.
Here is a link to the government body that regulates UK betting.
https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/
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eusebiovic
1:21 Mon Sep 5
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Of course it is...
One of the main reasons goes back to the complete deregulation of the betting industry in 2005. Most of the companies have very dubious money chains funding them. OK the long established ones were far from virtuous but have been doing it for long enough to have gone legit.
People will say there is nothing wrong with a bet now and again and that's absolutely true - if you have a strong sense of self discipline and responsibility.
Otherwise - you're completely fucked and it's not just a small minority - it's quite a big fucking problem.
It's almost as if somebody said "We can't have the floodlights getting switched off in a middle of a game so we might as well legalise it so you can defraud and embezzle to your heart's content.
What a fucking shitshow
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Helmut Shown
1:03 Mon Sep 5
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I disagree about ex pros doing VAR. They are just as blind to the bad tackles and penalties as the refs. How many times do you see an over the top tackle hitting players just below the knee and the likes of Danny Murphy and Jermaine Jenas say “that’s not a red card for me”. The one by Van Dyke should have been a red but none of the scouse lovers even mentioned it. And all this crap about “if it had been outside the box it would have been a free kick” if it’s a foul it’s a penalty. Yet penalties are given for the likes of Salah, Son and Vardy tripping themselves up.
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pdbis
12:52 Mon Sep 5
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Of course, and always will be. It is so important that the so-called top 6 teams get most of the decisions in their favour otherwise the bigwigs in the game think football will be the real loser.
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grasshopper
8:58 Mon Sep 5
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At the end of the day, it was the referee that made the decision on Saturday not VAR.
It is clear and obvious in his decision making throughout the game that Chelsea had to win.
Blaming VAR is just a smoke screen for the true motive unfortunately - must protect the super league 6.
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Tomshardware
8:52 Mon Sep 5
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Agree that they need ex pros involved with the VAR decisions. Absolutely no excuse for such poor decisions over the weekend which potentially is costing managers their jobs.
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Kaiser Zoso
8:14 Mon Sep 5
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There should be three people watching the game, a PGMOL VAR ref, plus two ex professional footballers. The match referee should only be requested to review an incident if there’s a majority decision.
That’ll stop these PGMOL employees from having sole sway in what is reviewed. There didn’t seem to be many ex pros who thought Mandy was fouled, or that Mitchell hadn’t fouled Willock.
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Mex Martillo
8:12 Mon Sep 5
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They will be changing something to try and stop this happening. What I don't know as I find it impossible to understand how they made the mistake.
I'd say it's obvious they cannot change results.
They should be considering financial compensation. Both West Ham and Newcastle can sue them no problem. Consider that we were sued for 30M by Sheffield Utd.
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Manuel
7:10 Mon Sep 5
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Nuts - ''Change'' is a very loose word. I get it, your full of wisdom, oh so streetwise, and I'm an innocent, naive cunt.
I'm not talking about the bigger picture ref 'corruption' or even predicting radical changes over night, but such is the outcry this weekend I don't think an apology and brushing it under the carpet is going to suffice this time. As we know an urgent meeting has been arranged, so let's see if anything 'changes' in the very near term as far as VAR is concerned.
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Nutsin
6:57 Mon Sep 5
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Manuel
That's wishful thinking, nothing is gonna change..... It's still gonna be controversial and football will always be corrupt.
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Manuel
6:12 Mon Sep 5
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Dermot Gallacher said the only possible reason the Newcastle goal was chalked off was because baldy in a room somewhere missed the shove on Willock and was only focusing on the collision. I mean imagine watching it a dozen times, and in slow motion, and not seeing the shove?! Hopefully this weekend is now a watershed moment and something will happen/change.
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LAF
2:41 Mon Sep 5
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To respond to the thread’s question with one word answer:
Qatar.
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Mike Oxsaw
2:21 Mon Sep 5
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Be interesting if they do reverse the decisions and apply the morally correct results to the games; given who's involved that won't happen, but you wait until a "Big" side is denied a point or three (and, maybe the European place reserved for them) because of an identical farce.
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Alfs
2:15 Mon Sep 5
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Then the the FA should award us a point.
Hypothetically, if he we end up 1 point short of finishing top four, that decision would have cost the club millions in revenue. I can honestly see a club suing a ref/pfa/fa one day soon.
As for the ref and the VAR guy, they should both be sent back to reffing Sunday League.
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arsegrapes
12:55 Mon Sep 5
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11179399/The-Premier-Leagues-refereeing-body-admit-got-two-major-VAR-calls-WRONG.html
They've admitted it was wrong, so all's well that ends well.
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